Curse

Algren Cole · Aug 23, 2005, 09:27 PM // 21:27

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Originally Posted by fuzzybulldozer

how do you plan on selling a 15%>50 wingblade, for example, to a trader?

you don't. you sell it to a player for 5-10plat. This takes 5 minutes of your time, the player gets a weapon they normally wouldn't be able to afford, and the farmer is back out in the field finding another one to sell for 5-10 plat....both sides are happy with the transaction.

AeroLion · Aug 23, 2005, 09:28 PM // 21:28

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Originally Posted by fuzzybulldozer

how do you plan on selling a 15%>50 wingblade, for example, to a trader?

It'll go for about 250 gold to the trader. Or I can say in LA dist 1 or 2, that I'll sell it for 10 plat. Within 3 secs, I'll have sold it and I can go back to farming.

Frank The Tank · Aug 23, 2005, 09:29 PM // 21:29

I already have everything I need in the game, I give away my nice items to new or low level guild members, I don't farm to sell items for money. A good farmer shouldn't need to buy hardly anything, keep plugging away and you'll eventually find what you were looking for. Adding necros or mesmers just hurts other builds that use enchants also, not just the monks. If every group of monsters strips enchants, whats the point of having enchants in the first place?? If they intend on the UW to be played with multiple people, add a lever that needs to be pulled by someone else remotely or something like that to get past the chamber. Maybe add puzzles that require actual teamwork to finish with real people.

If the solo monk is gone, then they better drop the price & make them always available at the trader so people can actually afford to buy them. Market saturation is what drives the price down, nobody will sell them for under 30K - 50K each if they can't be farmed anymore and aren't available. UW is all about ectos and XP, look elsewhere for drops. The bots are the problem, not an honest farmer who likes to hunt for nice items or ectos for armor.

BTW, my monk can be used as a healer or smiter when he wears his other armor, it won't make him obsolete.

Hopefully, they will do the right thing.

D.E.V.i.A.N.C.E · Aug 23, 2005, 09:29 PM // 21:29

Oh please; they found a way to do an area alone; whats the big deal?
this is going to turn into "oh that build is so lame" or "that class is over powered" you think the developers might have given you a chance at doing areas alone for once?
The game is about teamwork; but UW and FoW are really not apart of the storyline, once your done with the story line you think you could think outside the box and do somthing alone?

You say its overpowered; I say thats bull; it barely does dmg when you first get the spells, why do you think people solo the underworld? BECAUSE THEY CAN; no shatter enchantment's. the whole area is a high dmg place; if they mess with the skills that area may come to be "LF RANGER TRAPPERS ONLY".

I say stop bitching; deal with it; make your own; and stop try'n to make the game "balanced" for the new kids on the block that dont get it.

seroiusly if they mess with the protection spells it looks like trappers will rule over FoW and UW, and maybe thats overpowered... not.

KamikazeChicken · Aug 23, 2005, 09:37 PM // 21:37

Nerf the build, and you've done nothing. Nerf Prot Bond to 2 eng, and you've done nothing.

Monks and Elementals can solo UW, so I'd assume most could with a little thinking. I still can't understand why everyone calls nerf to farming when ITEMS AND GOLD MEAN NOTHING. Woo Hoo lets make everything take even longer to unlock! Why didn't I think of that earlier.

fuzzybulldozer · Aug 23, 2005, 09:47 PM // 21:47

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Originally Posted by Algren Cole

you don't. you sell it to a player for 5-10plat. This takes 5 minutes of your time, the player gets a weapon they normally wouldn't be able to afford, and the farmer is back out in the field finding another one to sell for 5-10 plat....both sides are happy with the transaction.

i find one of these so rarely that i cant afford to price it at 5-10 plat, because to buy anything of value you need around 25k. i have never seen these benevolent 105 (edited for your pleasure from invincimonk) traders that you speak of, or i would have bought in an instant. the difference is, i cant afford to sell items at these prices. you will, of course, counter that i can just buy one of these swords from the hordes of "benevolent 105s (edited)" or "farmers who are willing to get ripped off for a quick deal". if you can point me in their direction consistently, i'll shut up and stay quiet. but as it stands these people dont seem to exist *in any significant number.

ManadartheHealer · Aug 23, 2005, 09:49 PM // 21:49

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Originally Posted by fuzzybulldozer

but as it stands these people dont seem to exist.

Since I started really farming, I haven't sold any weapon (no matter how good) for over 14k (and that was a gold max dmg hammer, a permanent 14% dmg increase, and +26 or so health)

Algren Cole · Aug 23, 2005, 09:55 PM // 21:55

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Originally Posted by fuzzybulldozer

i find one of these so rarely that i cant afford to price it at 5-10 plat, because to buy anything of value you need around 25k. i have never seen these benevolent invincimonk traders that you speak of, or i would have bought in an instant. the difference is, i cant afford to sell items at these prices. you will, of course counter, that i can just buy one of these swords from the hordes of "benevolent invincimonks" or "farmers who are willing to get ripped off for a quick deal". if you can point me in their direction consistently, i'll shut up and stay quiet. but as it stands these people dont seem to exist.

your entire argument is "I can't do it so they shouldn't be able to either"....I see where you are going...sure maybe the majority of the people running this build are selling items for inflated prices...but those people are spending more time selling than they are farming. They aren't bringing a huge number of overpriced items into the game because they are spending all of their time trying to sell 1 item at an inflated price....then going back out to look for that item again. The ones that ARE bringing a lot weapons/items into the game are selling them off at cheap prices and only spending a few minutes selling.

zehly · Aug 23, 2005, 09:56 PM // 21:56

Just go back to the good ole' UW runs... A smart tank warrior, a smart protection monk, and a smart nuker elementalist. As long as everyone is smart, and only the warrior agros, it makes it fun! And it goes faster, too ^^. If you are concerned about loot, do it with your guildies!

fuzzybulldozer · Aug 23, 2005, 09:59 PM // 21:59

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Originally Posted by Algren Cole

your entire argument is "I can't do it so they shouldn't be able to either"....I see where you are going...sure maybe the majority of the people running this build are selling items for inflated prices...but those people are spending more time selling than they are farming. They aren't bringing a huge number of overpriced items into the game because they are spending all of their time trying to sell 1 item at an inflated price....then going back out to look for that item again. The ones that ARE bringing a lot weapons/items into the game are selling them off at cheap prices and only spending a few minutes selling.

if that were true, it would be great. but you are assuming that all 105s are like yourself. much of humanity is innately greedy, however. i appreciate what you are doing for the economy, if you are telling the truth about yourself. poor people like me LIKE to buy items cheap, HAVE to buy items cheap. but the fact is, i have not seen ONE of your "silent majority" of benevolent 105s selling nice items at prices that i can afford, ingame or on the sell forums. if that were different, i wouldn't be angry right now.

AeroLion · Aug 23, 2005, 10:00 PM // 22:00

fuzzybulldozer, you're talking about greed and that happens whether the person is an invincimonk or not.

You don't see these benevolent folk much because they're out farming. And no, actually, my counter wouldn't be buying from a "benevolont invincimonk" but asking you why you need an item that is worth more than 25k, which I assume is your limit.

But since you asked me where to find such people, I'll tell you. Hang around LA dist 3 or 4. Not 1 or 2 because they're too crowded, especially with the greedy. Also, Ascalon. You'll fine quite a few deals from those that simply don't care and will sell for, what I consider, a fair price. That means nothing above 50k for any item. This, of course, means that you have to devote some of your time to finding a deal. That's the trade off.

Age · Aug 23, 2005, 10:01 PM // 22:01

I am not sure but I would like to to try and solo the UW and FoW.I don't have single supior on either just some minor and major.If I can't solo to get the good items look for me I will be say Monk for hire 3000K for FoW and I assume the most Monks will start doing his.I wouldn't want to have to think about deleting her.

Then agian it oly take me ten minutes to clear the Charr pit outside of Piken doing it solo with my Monk and Warrior and a few other places.

fuzzybulldozer · Aug 23, 2005, 10:08 PM // 22:08

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Originally Posted by Algren Cole

your entire argument is "I can't do it so they shouldn't be able to either"....I see where you are going...sure maybe the majority of the people running this build are selling items for inflated prices...but those people are spending more time selling than they are farming. They aren't bringing a huge number of overpriced items into the game because they are spending all of their time trying to sell 1 item at an inflated price....then going back out to look for that item again. The ones that ARE bringing a lot weapons/items into the game are selling them off at cheap prices and only spending a few minutes selling.

and algren, i havent tried soloing UW yet, but do you know of any other w/mo who can tank 8 people for 3 minutes. in fact, i seriously doubt that i COULDN'T solo the underworld areas that the 105 build can. it would be far, far slower than the 105 build however, and more prone to damage and interruption. generally not worth my time. as intended

and aerolion, thanks for the help. i devote a lot of time finding deals, they just never seem to come to me.

and the item worth more than 25k that i sorely need at the moment would be a superior absorption rune.

Witchblade · Aug 23, 2005, 10:10 PM // 22:10

ok i skip 2 pages here..but almost everyone is complaining about "soloing in UW" ...so what? u cant go far ,maybe dropping an ecto on the way... that's all..
Drops there are pure crap.. but the real prob is that drops are crap almost everywhere...so nerfing the build itself will make things worse, and if Anet has to nerf the skills to stop that build that s annoying to all of u..well that s stupid, this build isnt that broken..

Ultimate_Gaara · Aug 23, 2005, 10:12 PM // 22:12

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Originally Posted by MagicDizk

My last game I played was Star Wars Galaxies; they did a major update to the combat engine, a lot of us left shortly after. I know a lot of us switched from that game to GG.

My question is if they nerf this Monk build will continue to play GG?

/signed NO

This build is lame, it was clear it should be "nerfed" since it first arrived, i will still play because im not lame and leave over one tiny little change...

stoned bob · Aug 23, 2005, 10:16 PM // 22:16

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Originally Posted by salja Wachi

who the hell cares if they want to solo the UW? i could care less let them spend hours down there taking 3 minutes per attaxe.

no skin off my nose and it should not bother anyone else either.

eh I can take 8 aatxes in less then a minute....

stumpy · Aug 23, 2005, 10:17 PM // 22:17

i will still continue to play.

atm if the cut the 105/55 I can see this understandably happening. Soloing the U/W is a bit imbalanced. I will still get all the use I can until that time. But when they do I will just use may other farmers (ranger, warrior, and original smiter) ... who can still farm effectively. I just won't go to the underworld ...well I may still go if I come up with another and I'm thinking that the Mo/Mes may have a viable solo build available for this ... we'll see.

chaos dragoon · Aug 23, 2005, 10:17 PM // 22:17

just my 2 cents,

but the only people in favor of the nerf are people without a 105 monk(as far as i know).i saw some other posts and i agree in thinking that many are just jealous.i dont have a 105 monk(the monk u see in my charecter listing is a healer,not planing to make a 105 monk,unlocking healing skills with him).i dont want them to get nerfed and take other players fun away.i have all the money that i need.dont complain that u dont get your "perfect" sundering mod in 1 hour of farming because the 105 monks have more money than you.they EARNED more money than you.and they deserve to spend it as they please.if they want to spend 100k on my item that gives +1% more damage go right ahead.

just my 2 cents

AeroLion · Aug 23, 2005, 10:17 PM // 22:17

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Originally Posted by fuzzybulldozer

and the item worth more than 25k that i sorely need at the moment would be a superior absorption rune.

Good luck on that! I know people that routinely sell gold armors for 9k or sell un'IDed superior warrior runes for 10-12k. It's sort of a crapshoot. Personally, I've spent a good amount of time trying to unlock runes for PVP and I have yet to unlock Superior Absorption. So I wish you luck on finding it since I know how hard it is to get it.

DergeDraconis · Aug 24, 2005, 02:49 AM // 02:49

Why would you quit playing?

"O Noes I can't solo an area that was ment to be a challange for a group of 8 this teh sux, I quit!11!1one!!1"

It will be frustrating for player who created this char and put 80k+ into getting all the runes and armor and such just to find out it was all for naught...atleast for solo purposes that is, go heal someone thats a new tactics all these Mo/W should try its satisfying to see a group victorious because you gave them life and a chance

they coulda done without the crabs though :P